How selecting a specific octave in the sampler ?

[noise2sine]

hello,

i have a big list of samples in a sampler, in the grid mode and this list correspond to specific tracks organised in the sequencer.My idea is to be able to choose a specific octave for each track in order to use for example the random mode in the sampler and staying "framed" with the corresponding track ?

I have the impression that i have already seen a sampler like that in the library but i can't find it anymore!!!

Thank you!!

[noise2sine]

UP !!!!!!!!!

[ethnix73]

Have you got only one sampler? Do you use midi buses?

If so, you could use multiple midi split script.

[bsork]

Could you try another explanation of what you want? I don't quite get how you mean the interaction between the grid and the sequencer should be.

[ethnix73]

Haven't seen you was using the usine sampler, so forget my first advice if you use only one sampler....It should work with one sampler per track

[noise2sine]

Thanks for yr attention,

i think i wasn't clear, i 'm giving an example : i'm using 24 samples in a Usine sampler and i want the sampler only play the first 12 samples in any type of readind mode (next,previous,random) and this stored as a preset, and then a second preset for the last 12 and so on....


So the relation with sequencer is : i have full tracks running in the sequencer and this sampler is used for adding some improvisation feel or adding rythm to a specific track.

Thanks you !

[bsork]

Well, as far as I can see, the Preset Manager doesn't store the contents of the file list, so I think you have patch the restricted selection up yourself. There are a lot ways of doing that, and you don't have to restrict it to the choices that's there already.

Either that, or use more than one sampler...

[noise2sine]

well, i prefer not using more than one sampler, because i would prefer having few instances loaded. I'm sure it's easy for you to set up a sampler like that, but for me it's not, don't forget i'm just a rabbit with a hat

Any advice are welcome for setting up that kind of sampler !!!

cheers

[bsork]

Unless someone else chimes in in the meantime, I'll see if I can come up with something tonight. But I'm not sure if I understand where the octave part comes in. Do you mean that you assign 12 notes on the keyboard each trigging a separate sample, but you want to change between different sets of samples within that range?

"just a rabbit"? At least you look like a living thing - me, I'm just a (bad) drawing!

[ethnix73]

Perhaps can you use random modules linked to the file inlet of the sampler. Choose min and max in the random module according to the preset of sample you want...

[noise2sine]

well, i think it's better not talking about octave. The way i imagine it is two faders u can set it up. One fader for the first sample and the second fader for the last sample. So fader 1 is set to 1 for sample 1 and fader 2 set to 12 but sample 2,3,4,5....to 12 can be read in any reading mode.
So i should be able to have 127 samples in the same sampler with the freedom of choosing which groups i want to use

Hope i'm clear , and yr drawing is very nice!!!

[noise2sine]

Perhaps can you use random modules linked to the file inlet of the sampler. Choose min and max in the random module according to the preset of sample you want...

Thank you ethnix for yr idea, i will try that!!

but i'm curious to know if my suggestion with the faders can work !

[bsork]

If I have understood this time around..: You want the sampler to switch files automatically exactly as the built in next/previous/random, but with groups of samples instead of the whole list(?). You could try to use a mixture of counters and the random module. To have the file number between min and max, you'll have to do a bit of math. With the counters it's as simple as adding the min value to the output, while the maximum value would be (max - min + 1). For random values assuming an output of 0~1 from the random module: random*(max - min + 1)+min.

(I just had a look at the "Counter Simple with Max" sub-patch, and seems to have been broken as there's no max, while the "(down)" version looks ok. I've notified Olivier.)

(...and I'm afraid it's not my drawing - just something I found somewhere and messed up a little... Bjørn is Norwegian for "bear", so that's my excuse for using that avatar.)

[noise2sine]

If I have understood this time around..: You want the sampler to switch files automatically exactly as the built in next/previous/random, but with groups of samples instead of the whole list(?). :

Yes that's exactly what i need ! But unfortunatly math is esoteric to me !!! ( i wish i could do a Usine Workshop one day
But i will try then, following yr instruction.

Will it be possible to recall that with presets or stored in the conductor ?


(you helped me so much so i will send you for xmas a jar of honey from the south of France !!!)

[bsork]

There shouldn't be any problems with storing this neither with the Preset Manager nor the Conductor. The math needed here is fortunately of the simple kind, so I'm sure you're going to fix it. If you still have problems, please tell, otherwise why not put your creation into the add-ons?

[noise2sine]

The math needed here is fortunately of the simple kind, so I'm sure you're going to fix it.

Well, i don't get the logic even it's quite simple,I tried for 2 hours yesterday but nothing good happen ! So if u have time to fix that patch, i would be very gratefull and then i will study it in order to improve my perception of math module ! because it's a little bit of frustration because i don't have the fundamental so i can't really progress and i really want to.


Cheers

[bsork]

Ok, I'll see if I can come up with something tonight, or at least within the weekend.

[noise2sine]

thank you so much

[bsork]

Here you go: http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/viewto ... 5719#p5719

I was thinking of adding a more typical "multi-sample" behaviour as well, as that was what I originally thought you were after, but it's getting late.

[noise2sine]

YES!!!! i'm sure yr new features will be great!!! can't wait to uset hem!!!!!

many thanks!!!!

[bsork]

Hi Noise2sine

Just out of curiosity: Do the patch do what you wanted it to?

[noise2sine]

hello Bsork,


Yes it's great!! it's working fine, i have tested the version 2, it is quite good for the rythm,very inspiring!!!! But i didn't find how to play longer files??? i mean the full length of a long loop about 24 bars respecting the "num file" ?? (i will test the version 3 now ). I really do think that u created a very good tool l!!! (thanks to Mister Senso). I will use it like the core of my livet set, for rythmic and for random long textures...

Rock it math/logic boss !!!!

[bsork]

Ooops - originally I had on thought of this patch as suitable for typical "one-shot" types of samples; hence what I wrote above about loop type files. I didn't take longer files into consideration at all. Hm...

If you're basically triggering long files that should play their full length before the next starts, I guess that using the sampler's "stopplay" output should replace the the trigger from sequenced switches, but you would have to add something to trigger the first play. The file grouping and selection bits wouldn't need to be changed much, only (again) what triggers the selection of the next file.

Another solution that also could be useful - at least as long as there aren't any very short files inbetween - would be to use the file length to control the length of the sequenced switch module, and run that one in loop mode. Just enter a switch at step 1.

Rock it, rabbit! (Hey! That even sounded as a real slogan!)