ArrayArrayArrayArrayArrayArrayArrayArrayArrayArrayArrayArrayArray BrainModular BrainModular Users Forum 2010-04-29T10:46:57+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/app.php/feed/topic/2176 2010-04-29T10:46:57+02:00 2010-04-29T10:46:57+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13698#p13698 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]> I relied on stereo vu meters out and that's stupid because the signals add.
So -6dB when centered were ok (0dB when added) and your first solutions were good.
The only issue that seems to remain for panner 1-2 is it boosts the signal of 6dB ?

I've modified my curve panner to make it work too, here it is, but it's now just another approach...
Your explanation Gurulogic made me doubt about my patch and that was a really good thing !

Statistics: Posted by La Tenaille — 29 Apr 2010, 10:46


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2010-04-28T21:25:40+02:00 2010-04-28T21:25:40+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13688#p13688 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]>
I'm currently working on multiple delays with spatialization, and loosing gain when panning a delay distort the spatial image in that precise case.

Statistics: Posted by La Tenaille — 28 Apr 2010, 21:25


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2010-04-28T20:20:17+02:00 2010-04-28T20:20:17+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13686#p13686 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]>
Gurulogic, I've tried your panner and same result : -6dB when centered if I tune the gain to have 0dB on 100% pans.
Hmm, yes. my patch seems to be losing -6db somewhere before the volume controller, but as I can tell it's is equal "perceived" gain through the entire pan width, which is what my goal was.
If I increase the volume module +6db and then pan slowly from one side to the other, the output gain is equal to the input gain and to my ears, I hear an even volume all throughough the entire pan. I f I pan quick, my ears play tricks on me and I hear quiet spots at half pan but I think that has something to do with the way I blend one side of a stereo channel into the other when panning.
But maybe I still need to do some tweaks, and perhaps even rebuild around your much simpler looking solution :)

Anyways, I am glad you have it working to your liking

Statistics: Posted by gurulogic — 28 Apr 2010, 20:20


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2010-04-28T17:29:26+02:00 2010-04-28T17:29:26+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13684#p13684 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]>
For real time panning the smoother avoids crackles, but I've noticed it costs CPU.

Statistics: Posted by La Tenaille — 28 Apr 2010, 17:29


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2010-04-28T16:57:00+02:00 2010-04-28T16:57:00+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13680#p13680 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]> well done la tenaille !
can i add this patch to the next Utils pack..?

Statistics: Posted by nay-seven — 28 Apr 2010, 16:57


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2010-04-28T16:31:21+02:00 2010-04-28T16:31:21+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13679#p13679 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]> Image

Gain is now linear and I can freely set the pan slope, great, great, great !

Statistics: Posted by La Tenaille — 28 Apr 2010, 16:31


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2010-04-28T15:35:32+02:00 2010-04-28T15:35:32+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13676#p13676 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]>

Statistics: Posted by La Tenaille — 28 Apr 2010, 15:35


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2010-04-28T14:57:49+02:00 2010-04-28T14:57:49+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13674#p13674 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]> Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 28 Apr 2010, 14:57


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2010-04-28T14:02:17+02:00 2010-04-28T14:02:17+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13672#p13672 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]> I've tried the crossfader but the trouble is nearly the same (the -6dB happens on centered position).
Gurulogic, I've tried your panner and same result : -6dB when centered if I tune the gain to have 0dB on 100% pans.

... so I've tried to analyse the "panner 1-2" patch and found a partial solution :

Image

I've added the selected modules, where b=4 and fader ranger 0>2. The fader range truncate the numbers above 2 when the panner crosses the center position.
It works but the sound position isn't regular : it changes a few near 0 and a lot near 100...

I imagine a good curve would fix that but I don't have any idea of how to create the right curve...

Statistics: Posted by La Tenaille — 28 Apr 2010, 14:02


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2010-04-27T23:21:20+02:00 2010-04-27T23:21:20+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13652#p13652 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]> Statistics: Posted by gurulogic — 27 Apr 2010, 23:21


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2010-04-27T23:19:41+02:00 2010-04-27T23:19:41+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13650#p13650 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]> http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/upload ... 2BGain.pat

In stereo mode, each LR channel is brought to the other side and gain compensated -6db during panning, in mono mode,
either or both inputs can be used and when panned is gain compensated -3db
Also there is a unified gain fader that works in conjunction with the pan gain compensation..

Statistics: Posted by gurulogic — 27 Apr 2010, 23:19


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2010-04-27T22:56:14+02:00 2010-04-27T22:56:14+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13647#p13647 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]>
alternate solution, use a cross fade module this way..?:
Image

Statistics: Posted by nay-seven — 27 Apr 2010, 22:56


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2010-04-27T21:47:39+02:00 2010-04-27T21:47:39+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13642#p13642 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]> I'm using the "panner 1-2" patch and I've noticed a +6dB difference between in and out volume when panning a signal 100% left or right.
Is it a known issue ? Any way to fix that ?
Thanks

Statistics: Posted by La Tenaille — 27 Apr 2010, 21:47


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BrainModular BrainModular Users Forum 2010-04-29T10:46:57+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/app.php/feed/topic/2176 2010-04-29T10:46:57+02:00 2010-04-29T10:46:57+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13698#p13698 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]> I relied on stereo vu meters out and that's stupid because the signals add.
So -6dB when centered were ok (0dB when added) and your first solutions were good.
The only issue that seems to remain for panner 1-2 is it boosts the signal of 6dB ?

I've modified my curve panner to make it work too, here it is, but it's now just another approach...
Your explanation Gurulogic made me doubt about my patch and that was a really good thing !

Statistics: Posted by La Tenaille — 29 Apr 2010, 10:46


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2010-04-28T21:25:40+02:00 2010-04-28T21:25:40+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13688#p13688 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]>
I'm currently working on multiple delays with spatialization, and loosing gain when panning a delay distort the spatial image in that precise case.

Statistics: Posted by La Tenaille — 28 Apr 2010, 21:25


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2010-04-28T20:20:17+02:00 2010-04-28T20:20:17+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13686#p13686 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]>
Gurulogic, I've tried your panner and same result : -6dB when centered if I tune the gain to have 0dB on 100% pans.
Hmm, yes. my patch seems to be losing -6db somewhere before the volume controller, but as I can tell it's is equal "perceived" gain through the entire pan width, which is what my goal was.
If I increase the volume module +6db and then pan slowly from one side to the other, the output gain is equal to the input gain and to my ears, I hear an even volume all throughough the entire pan. I f I pan quick, my ears play tricks on me and I hear quiet spots at half pan but I think that has something to do with the way I blend one side of a stereo channel into the other when panning.
But maybe I still need to do some tweaks, and perhaps even rebuild around your much simpler looking solution :)

Anyways, I am glad you have it working to your liking

Statistics: Posted by gurulogic — 28 Apr 2010, 20:20


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2010-04-28T17:29:26+02:00 2010-04-28T17:29:26+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13684#p13684 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]>
For real time panning the smoother avoids crackles, but I've noticed it costs CPU.

Statistics: Posted by La Tenaille — 28 Apr 2010, 17:29


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2010-04-28T16:57:00+02:00 2010-04-28T16:57:00+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13680#p13680 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]> well done la tenaille !
can i add this patch to the next Utils pack..?

Statistics: Posted by nay-seven — 28 Apr 2010, 16:57


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2010-04-28T16:31:21+02:00 2010-04-28T16:31:21+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13679#p13679 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]> Image

Gain is now linear and I can freely set the pan slope, great, great, great !

Statistics: Posted by La Tenaille — 28 Apr 2010, 16:31


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2010-04-28T15:35:32+02:00 2010-04-28T15:35:32+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13676#p13676 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]>

Statistics: Posted by La Tenaille — 28 Apr 2010, 15:35


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2010-04-28T14:57:49+02:00 2010-04-28T14:57:49+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13674#p13674 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]> Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 28 Apr 2010, 14:57


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2010-04-28T14:02:17+02:00 2010-04-28T14:02:17+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13672#p13672 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]> I've tried the crossfader but the trouble is nearly the same (the -6dB happens on centered position).
Gurulogic, I've tried your panner and same result : -6dB when centered if I tune the gain to have 0dB on 100% pans.

... so I've tried to analyse the "panner 1-2" patch and found a partial solution :

Image

I've added the selected modules, where b=4 and fader ranger 0>2. The fader range truncate the numbers above 2 when the panner crosses the center position.
It works but the sound position isn't regular : it changes a few near 0 and a lot near 100...

I imagine a good curve would fix that but I don't have any idea of how to create the right curve...

Statistics: Posted by La Tenaille — 28 Apr 2010, 14:02


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2010-04-27T23:21:20+02:00 2010-04-27T23:21:20+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13652#p13652 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]> Statistics: Posted by gurulogic — 27 Apr 2010, 23:21


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2010-04-27T23:19:41+02:00 2010-04-27T23:19:41+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13650#p13650 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]> http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/upload ... 2BGain.pat

In stereo mode, each LR channel is brought to the other side and gain compensated -6db during panning, in mono mode,
either or both inputs can be used and when panned is gain compensated -3db
Also there is a unified gain fader that works in conjunction with the pan gain compensation..

Statistics: Posted by gurulogic — 27 Apr 2010, 23:19


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2010-04-27T22:56:14+02:00 2010-04-27T22:56:14+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13647#p13647 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]>
alternate solution, use a cross fade module this way..?:
Image

Statistics: Posted by nay-seven — 27 Apr 2010, 22:56


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2010-04-27T21:47:39+02:00 2010-04-27T21:47:39+02:00 https://brainmodular.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=13642#p13642 <![CDATA[panner patch out volume isn't linear - known issue ?]]> I'm using the "panner 1-2" patch and I've noticed a +6dB difference between in and out volume when panning a signal 100% left or right.
Is it a known issue ? Any way to fix that ?
Thanks

Statistics: Posted by La Tenaille — 27 Apr 2010, 21:47


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